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[ori_s]

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[ori_s]

Raffi you kidding me with Simson carburetor 51 its real, I expect a better answer

[ori_s]

Raffi I'm sorry if I say something wrong but because nobody say anything I think it made in DDR MAW Miele

[Wombat45]

Hello Ori

History from : "Miele"

[ori_s]

What I can understand and it interesting political issue that Miele a West German company have a factory in Holland use at the beginning of 50s Sachs motors from the west and alternative MAW motor from the east using IFA carburetor NKJ 123 which Simson use at the first time on the Sr1 55

[NorbertE]

Ori, my dear, you are a famous worldwide motorcycle carbage collector.

The MAW engine, here an interesting site , was a "citizen-engine for everyones bicycle". Everybody could`d by this (only the engine with fueltank and the handles) and mounted on the choicen cyle. I don`t think, that the MAW was standard on Miele-cycles. Its possible, of course, because in this time the eastern industries maked deals with Holland companys. An example is the eastern part of "Rheinmetall". They dealed with officemachines with a dutch company for westgermany. The "mother" of Rheinmetall in westgermany produced the same machines under the same label, but the eastern ones was better and cheaper. The western Rheinmetall closed this with a paper of court in 1960 or 62.

The question of carburator is very easy: In this time only this one factory builded carburators in east germany. The idea was a german idea, but after the war the NKJ-types was suddently a russian patent. NKJ named : "N"=needle, "K"= piston glide (Kolbenschieber) and the "J" is the name of the fucking russian boy. Jokarew or Janukowitsch . I`ve forgotten.
The number is also easy (MAW haved the 121): The first two numbers are the airhole 12= 12mm diameter air. The third number is a version number. Also in example the NKJ 123-3: 12 mm air through, typ 3, version 3.

Also an example for russian deals in this time: The machine gun "Kalaschnikov" was named at Mr. Kalaschikov. But the inventor was a german man named Schmeisser, worked in Suhl. This gun was at the end of WWII ready to use. War was lost, Mr. Kalaschnikov have taken any of this guns and also Mr. Schmeisser. Went to sibiria, changed only one part of this gun an the new russian wonderworld of weapon was born. And now you can find this gun all over the world. Every black child have one of this and play a little bit the game of war. A german invetion, but the russians are the clever seller.

The germans are good inventors and ingenieurs. The build also atomic submarines. Any of this boats we give with joy in our hearts to Israel as a gift. Of course only for defense...
We are guilty till the end of our days.

[ori_s]

Norbert my friend,
When I read your articles I have a big laugh, I always say to you that you can be a storyteller you should give it German .
As you know I can understand a little German and dies about brainwashing it's so fit for you:
"So wie wir heute arbeiten, werden wir morgen leben !“
I can tell that I never knew that this screwed carburetor use on other motor rather than Simson and never see in the forum someone say this.
For the garbage collector you absolutely right 2 days ago I go to the bank and ask for mortgage for this fuck***in thing.
2 hour later Agnes call me and say that she likes to put the story of Simson you and me in German media and give it a chance because last time was Gaza story and now its 50 years celebration for our relation and you build for us 4 navy ships except those submarines.
She like to come visit me with photographer friend of her Alessandra and then to visit you in Germany for interview ,
I'm really happy that you still alive


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[NorbertE]

Ori, I see, we understand.

We must meet again. You must visit me in Germany because I´m a poor boy. I worked on yesterday hard in (east-) germany and today I must life in poverty in(west-) germany. Its a hard fact and this word in german was from Walter Ulbricht he was a communist and a liar.

Congratulation to the hot deal with the saddle. I hope you have much enough credit.

Send Agnes to me. We make a nice story with any of tears about Simson and me and you and the friendship between the Germans and the Jews and the boats and so on. It will be a big happening and when the arabs read this story, they will immediately stop the jihad, enjoy, change the Kalaschnikovs to simson mopeds and the whole world will dancing together...Alahu akhbar

[ori_s]

Because I was interested In the MAW motor here is some links that might be interesting also by historical point of view:
The MAW vs AMO hilfsmotor and how the British put their hand on Adler Here
Presto Chemnitz With MAW motor many photosHere
How and why SR1 killed MAW here
YouTubeHere
I believe now I know better "where this Miele comes from"
Thank you Norbert

[NorbertE]

Ori, of course don`t the east german Ings. invented this "clip-on motor" as a new one.
I have here 2 books from the "german pope of cycle motorisation", Manfred Nabinger, with the complete develop of bicycles, mopeds and engines in europe from 1900- now.
Its very interesting to follow this develop and nobody can say, who was stolen ideas from who. The principe is the same all over.
I wrote any of ways are possible how this MAW engine was mounted on this Miele bicycle. A deal with the dutch, a private deal, later mounting and so on.
You must also see: In short time after the war was a bicycle like a "shrine". Many people saved her cycles from the russians. Also cycles like Miele from the time bevore the war.
Many, many oldtimer have a long and confused way and in the most of cases you cannot restore this way.

[ori_s]

Norbert I totally Agree with you as you say I am international garbage mopeds collectors,
But I was thinking where is a place of honor to this blue background color MAW and the flying rocket Auspuff in this forum ? so because I have the all calendar from 2009 – 2015 which I get from the honorable publishers for free every year and found it only on Mai 2014 (now everyone will go and check)

[NorbertE]

No, no, Ori, it exist a place of honor here in the forum for the MAW engine.

https://www.ddrmoped.de/forum/index.php?showforum=15

The bicycle freaks are there the specialists.

But I have found for you an another fact of the "friendship with the russians" after WWII. Look at the photo. It shows a Speedometer from SR1. A very rare exemplar with the old sign from the original manufacturer.
Askania was bevor and during the WWII the manufacturer in example for instruments for planes. Also war-planes. Also they manufactured instruments for boats and submarines for the Wehrmacht.
Of course after the war, like all other big factorys, it was suddently a russian thing. Gotten a russian Name and sold as a russian product. But without the german develops bevor and during the war the russians and also the americans are....no more than nothing. What you see in the world is a german develop. O.k. any things are japanese but the basics are german.
In example your kibbuzem are a german develop...

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[ori_s]

Natürlich! Norbert,
You remember the Tempelgesellschaft they establish the first kibbutz in Palestine at the middle 19th century brought machinery to this Bare land and so,but now we have another Germans Kibbutz Deutsches Brot im Kibbutz
You see there is still some Germans who love us.
I don’t know where 100,000 MAW motors evaporated correct me but the number is more than Sr1 maybe for boats Hühnenschreck and Hackenwärmer and Rasenmäher or starters for big motors but its appear that some western countries adapt that motor unlike the SR1 that purely goes east and I think it connect to Stalin death in 1953 .

[NorbertE]

Ori, I love you too. I love the whole world. But any time the world don`t loves me. And remember: we was in Zichron Ja’akov at the young canadian girl whos speaked a perfect german! They produce not only bred also airfilter systems for houses. I´ve not forgotten.

I`m not so fit in the history of MAW, but I can tell you, that in 5 km in circle around my house I knew alone 6 or 7 MAW machines from this 100 000 pieces.
100 000 are not so much for the 14 Mill. citicen in 1953 in East Germany. Many still exist and many was went the last way to garbage.

[ori_s]

I check it 8 years ago exactly down the page during restoration of the SR1, I found the equivalent in the west. one British site ( they are good collectors for NSU) described the first N model characterized by Peanut looks like fuel tank. When peanut goes to your head it’s a problem


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